Deliverance Discussion Thread

The second viewing wasn't as rage inducing thankfully. But I'm still upset by some stuff, mostly the writers taking a Ichabbie scene (the library) and making it into an Ichatrina thing. Wish they hadn't gone there honestly. But I can say pretty confidently now that this is a full fledged love triangle, not that that brings me much comfort really. Why else the parallel, why pit them against each other so completely in the eyes of the audience. That was purposeful and planned.

The pregnancy was so gross, as was the writers taking the opportunity to squeeze Katrina into some sexy clothes. That added to the very convenient lack of Jenny and Nick (would have liked to see some democracy then and I hope Abbie remembers this cause notice she didn't use that tactic when the were debating raising the Kindred even though Jenny would have had her back. That was so low of Ichabod.), the very convenient lack of logical character moments from both Ichabod and Abbie (are we really suppose to think she was to freaked out to recognize the need for CPR before Ichabod, she's a first responder for christ sake), and Abbie being regulated to assisting the Cranes even if it was badassed as all hell was just too much. I think you might be right about the show jumping the shark. They always prided themselves with grounding the show in emotional reality but they did not accomplish it here. The realest one on that screen was Abbie but she was also the least important and that is a huge problem.

I want to see Ichabod suffer too. I'm bitter. All that talk about faith got me thinking. Like what happens when you put your faith in the wrong things? Even the Bible had false prophets, and Ichabod name dropped "idolatry". So faith isn't shit without discretion. Right now I think Ichabod is worshipping at the feet "Romanticized romantic love", pride, honor, and "romanticized familial love" and it is gonna lead to his downfall. I'm hoping it does anyways.

Loved Abbie shutting down Ichabod's golden age bs too. It's tiring to hear that every week when you actually know all the shit that happened back then. So thank god for that. I also loved Henry giving Ichabod shit. Loved, loved, loved his little inquiry about whether Abigail was right around the corner. Loved how he correctly pointed out that it wasn't his mother's love for him that got her thrown in purgatory but love of Ichabod.

My greatest problems with the episode wasn't so much Katrina--although I agree that she's a useless character and she takes away airtime for characters I like and actually care about and would rather see--but the lack Jenny was contrived.  She should have been there to support Abbie's position instead of having Abbie be the odd man out and outvoted. Abbie could have decided to support Ichabod against her better judgment which would have set up some angst between the sisters to be explored down the line once Crane realizes that he's following the wrong advice.  I would have rather had Abbie know it was a mistake yet decide to go along anyway.  At least this way it was her decision and mistake (as a Witness) to make--one she won't repeat again and one which would bring emphasis to TeamWitness's trust issues yet without Abby being outvoted by someone who's opinion shouldn't even carry the weight that either Abbie or Ichabad have by virtue of being the Witnesses.

The other main beef, which I've seen expressed a couple of other places and which totally pissed me off, is Abbie not being allowed to operate as a First Responder.  I couldn't believe how they had her announce that Katrina wasn't breathing without her springing into action to administer CPR.  Flag on that play.  Unnecessary f**kery. I mean, really show?  That's when you know plot points are more important than common sense writing, and it makes one wonder about what other common sense elements they'll forego to facilitate more BS.  I suppose Ichabod wouldn't have been able to kiss Katrina right after Abbie had administered the CPR, so allowing them to do that was worth Abby being both marginalized and seemingly incompetent at this aspect of her profession.  

Oh and one more (general) complaint.   I'm getting tired of the all powerful/all solving magical doohickey Crane pulls out of nowhere to solve that episodes's monster problem.  Getting a bit--okay, a lot--old show.

PS  GTFO with that patronizing meaningless fist bump.

Well the ratings for the episode sucked like i knew it would 1.5! Sad

I would have preferred he said nothing honestly. If I cared enough I would rewatch it to recall the scane, but I remember him eyeing Katrina as if he was admiring her tight bodice and jeans. Im fine if Ichabod doesnt like wearing modern clothes, it makes him who he is, but it seemed as if he had no problem with Katrina modeling the new age fashions. I dont know perhaps its my anger that clouds the whole thing but I thought Ichabod behaved like a jerkoff for almost the entire episode. His comment about more people voting in the 18th century proves his arrogance and narrow mindedness.

I gotta agree with violaghost. In my mind katrina never should have been put in those clothes in the first place. Who sticks a woman with abdominal pain in a corset, I mean yeesh. They could have written that all there was in lost and found was a tshirt and yoga pants and did the exact same scene with Ichabod being like no I mean yes and giving her the once over and it still would have made the Ichatrina shippers happy and it wouldn't have turned Katrina into a sex object and Ichabod would have been a doting husband rather than dudebro ogling his deathly ill wife. So yeah, Ichabod was gross in that scene but the writers wrote him that way.

And generally speaking Abbie is paying the bill, Ichabod needs to learn to be a little more appreciative especially now that she will be taking care of his wifey too. I hope next ep we will actually see reyes giving him a job, him receiving a pay check, something. Cause it is bad enough that ichatrina is shacking up in abbie's dead mentor's cabin, without all that extra onus on top of it.

Yeah me too. I need my show back the cute one so I don't have to think about all the bad unless I want to. Without the cute there just no distraction from it.